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Old 11-26-2009, 09:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I decided to buy winter tires for my Cube so I made the pilgrimage to Tire-Land USA in Nichols, NY, a mega-tire dealer that sells tires to other dealers as well as the public. Excellent prices and service. You don't just buy tires at Tire-Land, you get a class in tire technology. As usual I learned a lot.

The dealer tells me they have done several Cubes and have reports from drivers in the Adirondack mountains where it has already been snowing that the Cube isn't very good in snow. In fact he altered his recommendations based on those reports.

The first thing I learned when I showed them the tire size on the car (P195/55 R16) was that Nissan has selected an "obsolete" tire size for the 16" wheels on this car. You can't easily buy an exact replacement off the shelf, and what is available is expensive. The only readily available tires that would fit will have a somewhat different outer diameter making the speedometer inaccurate and mess up the automatic transmission and cruise control a bit. So I chose to get new 15" wheels. That opens up a whole world of less costly tire choices that will have the correct outside diameter.

Once that decision was made I had to go through the tire selection lesson. The guy takes you into one of their truck trailer warehouses and starts his speech.

First you have a choice of tire widths - wide and narrow. Narrow tires give you better traction but tend not to handle as well on dry road surfaces. Wide tires offer a bit less traction but handle like the original tires. I chose wide since even in upstate New York, winter roads are dry a lot more often then snow covered.

Next we go through about 6 piles of tires, and I get a speech for each. The speech covers the brand, design, traction, handling, noise level, wear characteristics and price of the tires in each pile. There is no perfect tire so you get to chose what you think is best for you. Some of the tires have excellent traction but are very noisy. Some are bargains and some are awfully expensive. One pile was described as "the tire we love to sell because it only lasts one season and costs $120". Another had the absolutely worst combination of poor wear, lousy traction, bad handling and high cost. They had a big pile of these. I asked if any one buys them and he said they sell lot of them. I said "who buys these things?" The answer? "Doctors and lawyers." They demand the best which is apparently perceived to be these awful Michelin tires. That shows you how well advertising works.

I got a European tire - the Federal Himalaya Premium studless snow tire - that was designed by Toyo in Japan. It's a new design and is supposed to have good traction and wear as well as quiet operation.

FEDERAL Himalaya WS1 Himalaya WS-I

Unfortunately everybody with a Nissan Cube in the US has had the same problem I do so the wheels I need are out of stock. Not only that but there apparently are no cheap steel wheels that fit this car available anyplace in the US. Instead I had to go with low cost aluminum wheels. The price of an aluminum wheel turned out to be only a couple of bucks more then the steel would, I won't need to buy wheel covers and the appearance should be acceptable. They should have the wheels in a couple of days and hopefully it won't snow too much before then.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Steel wheels are a dime a dozen! I'm not sure why you're having difficulty. And I wouldn't be doing 16" tires/wheels anyway. Go 15" and save some money.

I had the stock steel wheels with snows already on them, but I wanted to do something a bit better looking, so I got some 15X7 alloys instead with 195/60-15 Gislaved Nord Frost 5's.

And with 4 dedicated snow tires combined with the standard stability control that comes on the Cube, I can't imagine why anyone would have difficulty in the snow. I had a Mini Cooper S with stability control and 4 snow tires and it was amazing in the snow.






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Looks good with the black and red wheels!

I too expected good snow performance with traction control. I guess I'll have to wait for the first big storm to find out for myself.
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Looks good with the black and red wheels!

I too expected good snow performance with traction control. I guess I'll have to wait for the first big storm to find out for myself.
Personally, I find traction control annoying in slippery conditions on a FWD car. The Mini Cooper S I had had individual switches for it so I could turn off the TC without turning off the stability control. I can understand having on a RWD car, but that's about it.

However, I do find the TC on the Cube to allow a bit more wheel spin and not 'stall out' your car right from the get go (as the Mini did).

Stability control is the best safety feature to come along since seat belts in my opinion.
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Armen, your wheels and tires looked "beefy" and ready to take on the white weather. Do you mind sharing your costs on the wheels and tires.

Are there negatives with going down to the 15" tire?

Do you forsee any clearance or traction problems with the Cube in the snow? My wife has had several FWDs, while I have always had 4WD ford pickups and Chevy Blazers. I still have my 96 Blazer as my backup however the Cube is so much more comfortable to drive.

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Old 11-26-2009, 09:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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skycrowe - My dealer is selling me 195/60-15 tires and tells me these should have the same profile as the 195/55-16 tires that came with the car. These guys have been pretty good with this stuff for me over the years so I trust them to steer me right.

If anyone here is as clueless as I am about reading tire sizes, I found this page very helpful;

National Tire : Tire Basics : Understanding Your Tires
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Are there negatives with going down to the 15" tire?
They cost less because the size is so popular - so that is a negative - or a positive depending on your wallet.

Actually, a 16 inch rim has less sidewall than a 15 inch which means there would be less roll and improved handling during hard cornering. For winter driving you probably won't be doing a lot of racing so that shouldn't matter much.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Armen, your wheels and tires looked "beefy" and ready to take on the white weather. Do you mind sharing your costs on the wheels and tires.

Are there negatives with going down to the 15" tire?

Do you forsee any clearance or traction problems with the Cube in the snow? My wife has had several FWDs, while I have always had 4WD ford pickups and Chevy Blazers. I still have my 96 Blazer as my backup however the Cube is so much more comfortable to drive.
The only concerns I have with my Cube in the snow is because I've lowered it. I've raised it up a bit since putting on the snow tires (adjustable coil over suspension).

The base wheel on a Cube is the 15". So not only would there be no issue going to a wheel that size, it is generally recommended that you 'downsize' when going to a snow tire/wheel combo. So to go to a 15" from a 16" would be just fine. You can check out tirerack.com and get lots of good info on there as far as recommendations go.
The wheels I have on my car are XXR 513's. Shipped to my door there were just over $600 CAN funds. I'm not sure where you're located so I don't know what your cost would be. If you're in the US, they would certainly be less expensive.

My snow tires are 195/60-15 Gislaved Nord Frost 5's. The had very good reviews and were priced middle of the road. These tires were about $700 CAN from a local store. Again, tires are more expensive in Canada then they'd be in the USA.

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